He'll be moving.

Sumlin better be after some Baylor recruits!

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Oh look....another thread calling out Sumlin. I bet he's read it.

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You mean, Coach won't take seriously some millennial bed-wetters?

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At least he has finally admitted the offensive system he was running does not work on the SEC. They only reason it worked with Manziel- he was our 1000 yd rusher that did that on passing plays.

Turner and Mazzone are much better football coaches. Turner is real!

It just took us too long to realize below average coaching, poor system, smaller players do not work in the SEC.

He said we have been recruiting bigger players the last two years in order to adapt to the sec ( records do not indicate that )

Turner and Chavis are attracting Great recruits. A few more staff changes and a continued improvement in recruiting is much better than firing Sumlin and starting over.

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Actually Mazzone runs something similar to what Coach Bro ran in '12 (a hurry up version of The Spread). Spav screwed this up with his over-thinking that slowed this down. Plus he had a couple of young QBs that he was breaking in. This offense can work but it needs to be efficient and fast. The more plays we run the more the D gets worn down. OU in '12 and USCe in '14 are prefect examples of what happens when this type of O is run correctly.

But you are 100% correct that Chavis, the Mazzones, and the Turners are legit coaches. The Chief is turning around our D. Mazzone's offenses have averaged 400 yards and 30 points a game for the last 5 or 6 seasons. Turner was the best O Line coach we have ever had. And the other Turner was the D Line coach at Miss St, and they've had some damn good D Lines in recent years.

Us now having real coaches is having an effect on recruiting. We saw this with Mazzone chosing a QB that can actually succeed in the SEC over some over-hyped smurf. Likwise, we see this now with Turner targeting O Linemen that will excel in his system (guys like Green from Southlake that most would have thought would be questionable for the SEC. However the guy is already up to 280 and has the skill set Turner is looking for).

You are correct that it took a few years for Sumlin to realize the importance of having a top notch staff. However, like the saying goes, "Better late than never".

This is now the best staff we have had since the early 90s with Toledo at OC and Davie at DC. Nobody that knows football would consider breaking up this current staff that has been put together. Chavis, Jim Turner and Mazzone among the best in the business.

Yes, Herman has a hot wife. However, there is plenty of free porn out there for the pot bangers.

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and Childress doesn't even have a helicopter.

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.... and I'm betting he does not waste time with rap swag garbage either!

Don't forget about the new D line coach. He's solid as well. We decided to get Sumlin an all star team of coaches rather than fire him and start over.

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At least he has finally admitted the offensive system he was running does not work on the SEC. They only reason it worked with Manziel- he was our 1000 yd rusher that did that on passing plays.

Turner and Mazzone are much better football coaches. Turner is real!

It just took us too long to realize below average coaching, poor system, smaller players do not work in the SEC.

He said we have been recruiting bigger players the last two years in order to adapt to the sec ( records do not indicate that )

Turner and Chavis are attracting Great recruits. A few more staff changes and a continued improvement in recruiting is much better than firing Sumlin and starting over.

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Actually Mazzone runs something similar to what Coach Bro ran in '12 (a hurry up version of The Spread). Spav screwed this up with his over-thinking that slowed this down. Plus he had a couple of young QBs that he was breaking in. This offense can work but it needs to be efficient and fast. The more plays we run the more the D gets worn down. OU in '12 and USCe in '14 are prefect examples of what happens when this type of O is run correctly.

But you are 100% correct that Chavis, the Mazzones, and the Turners are legit coaches. The Chief is turning around our D. Mazzone's offenses have averaged 400 yards and 30 points a game for the last 5 or 6 seasons. Turner was the best O Line coach we have ever had. And the other Turner was the D Line coach at Miss St, and they've had some damn good D Lines in recent years.

Us now having real coaches is having an effect on recruiting. We saw this with Mazzone chosing a QB that can actually succeed in the SEC over some over-hyped smurf. Likwise, we see this now with Turner targeting O Linemen that will excel in his system (guys like Green from Southlake that most would have thought would be questionable for the SEC. However the guy is already up to 280 and has the skill set Turner is looking for).

You are correct that it took a few years for Sumlin to realize the importance of having a top notch staff. However, like the saying goes, "Better late than never".

This is now the best staff we have had since the early 90s with Toledo at OC and Davie at DC. Nobody that knows football would consider breaking up this current staff that has been put together. Chavis, Jim Turner and Mazzone among the best in the business.

Yes, Herman has a hot wife. However, there is plenty of free porn out there for the pot bangers.

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I am very family with Mazzone's offense, our current offense, and what we did in the past 4 yrs. again.

the only reason our fast paced offense worked was due to JM's ability to turn a pass play into 1200 yards of rushing. The 4 first rounders did not hurt. The defense had to account an extra man for JM as the would if we had a great running game.

So, you find another dual threat qb like Manziel and a wr that demands rolled coverage his way ( with two other wr's that can beat man) and the offense could work again. Odds of finding another JM are slim.

Also, Sumlin slowed the offense so they could help the defense. Spav responded by running more RPO's.

At least we are headed in the right direction again!

Your knowledge of football is laughable.

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Your knowledge of football is laughable.

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Kennedy and Childress are not only successful. they both are class acts that seem to WANT to be the head coach at A&M. If either one of them has ever been snide with the press or surly with alumni, I haven't heard about it.

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Your knowledge of football is laughable.

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Can you before specific

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You nailed it! This is the exact reason why Sumlin hasn't won the conference championship.

It also seems like we have top-notch coordinators who have no desire to be head coaches. That lessens the desire for them to leave. Any move by them would be a lateral move, and now to a lesser conference against lesser competition for potentially less money. We now need everyone to perform to their capabilities.

Our O will be much better, we won't have an old fart OL Coach clashing with boy wonder OC.

Both Turners are great hires.

Moorehead got in trouble for the tweet but I will give him credit that he is turning RSJ into a 1st round pick.

But yes, we won the conference in basketball and baseball. Time for us to kick the door in and go to Atlanta.

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Chavis has been a blessing so credit is due there. But I really think we need to thank Joe Alleva for being a true dumbass more than anything else.

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The Alleva part is true but give Sumlin some credit for taking advantage of it. We weren't the only one's that wanted Chavis.

Sumlin screwed up with Spavital and then screwed up again by sticking with him for a year beyond any reasonable doubt . That much is IOMCO. We'll see if he can recover from his stubbornness. I'd like to see him be successful.

Supposedly Chavis reached out to Sumlin to talk. Sure Sumlin had to close the deal but it sounds like that hire would have been tough to screw up.

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Getting to the SEC championship would be easier if Bama wasn't in the West.

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NO SH... Sherlock !
"To be the best you have to beat the best ! "

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Supposedly Chavis reached out to Sumlin to talk. Sure Sumlin had to close the deal but it sounds like that hire would have been tough to screw up.

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As a well documented Sumlin basher, that's a BS load of crap. I am sure Chavis had a lot of options, and Sumlin got him to sign here. Give Sumlin credit where it's due. Other than Mazzone, and the jury is still out, with a lot of upside potential, Sumlin has put together a coaching staff with a lot of potential.

Don't be insufferable.

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Supposedly Chavis reached out to Sumlin to talk. Sure Sumlin had to close the deal but it sounds like that hire would have been tough to screw up.

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As a well documented Sumlin basher, that's a BS load of crap. I am sure Chavis had a lot of options, and Sumlin got him to sign here. Give Sumlin credit where it's due. Other than Mazzone, and the jury is still out, with a lot of upside potential, Sumlin has put together a coaching staff with a lot of potential.

Don't be insufferable.

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I did give him credit. I said he had to close the deal and did so. But we know for a fact that Alleva was being very non-committal toward Miles, wouldn't offer Chavis a contract that provided any sort of job security, and that Chavis was very upset with that situation. After that it devolves to rumors of who contacted who first, but a lot of people across a lot of sites said that Chavis was interested in A&M and reached out to us.

As you said, that doesn't matter a huge amount. Sumlin still had to show up and sell Chavis on his team vision, which he successfully did. But it helps a great deal when the potential employee is excited from the get go, and that was the situation with Chavis.

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Supposedly Chavis reached out to Sumlin to talk. Sure Sumlin had to close the deal but it sounds like that hire would have been tough to screw up.

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As a well documented Sumlin basher, that's a BS load of crap. I am sure Chavis had a lot of options, and Sumlin got him to sign here. Give Sumlin credit where it's due. Other than Mazzone, and the jury is still out, with a lot of upside potential, Sumlin has put together a coaching staff with a lot of potential.

Don't be insufferable.

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I did give him credit. I said he had to close the deal and did so. But we know for a fact that Alleva was being very non-committal toward Miles, wouldn't offer Chavis a contract that provided any sort of job security, and that Chavis was very upset with that situation. After that it devolves to rumors of who contacted who first, but a lot of people across a lot of sites said that Chavis was interested in A&M and reached out to us.

As you said, that doesn't matter a huge amount. Sumlin still had to show up and sell Chavis on his team vision, which he successfully did. But it helps a great deal when the potential employee is excited from the get go, and that was the situation with Chavis.

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There are many reports that Sumlin specifically called Chavis. I think the main driver was that Chavis was fed up with the LSU offensive production and he really wanted to go somewhere that was more offensively skilled. Thus, A&M.

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And both coaches were here before Sumlin was. Building a championship team is tough. Especially when you are in a highly competitive division and your team is recovering from team cancer. (not saying or implying who but we all know there was a cancer in the locker room)

Lets keep things in perspective. He made some steps to right the ship but *expecting* a championship for this year is just setting yourself up for major disappointment.

Well....both made the final 16. Your move sumlin.

I feel so much better now after reading this thread.