Someone posted on another thread that Texas A&M now claims 3 national championships for football. This is a move in the right direction since it used to be only 1939. If A&M is now claiming 1919, 1927 and 1939 why would they not claim 1917?

Click Championships on the link below:
http://www.aggieathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=27300&SPSID=632660&SPID=93232&ATCLID=205238864

Texas A&M Football Championships


National (3)

* 1939
* 1927
* 1919



Big 12 (3)

* 1997 South
* 1998 Overall
* 2010 South (Co-Champions)



Southwest Conference (17)

* 1917
* 1919
* 1921
* 1925
* 1927
* 1939
* 1940
* 1941
* 1956
* 1967
* 1975
* 1985
* 1986
* 1987
* 1991
* 1992
* 1993



[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 7:44p).]

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Fri, Oct 12 Dallas Univ. College Station, Texas W 98-0

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Holy shnikes, and I thought OU in 2003 was painful to watch.

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For the record 1956 and 1994 were undefeated seasons as well, but I'm not saying that we should claim these years. We were on probation in 1994.

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On probation in 1956, too.

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If A&M is now claiming 1919, 1927 and 1939 why would they not claim 1917?

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What is the name of the poll, retroactive or otherwise, that awarded a 1917 national championship to A&M? Therein might lie the answer to your question -- there doesn't appear to be any that did.

Natty or no natty, didn't give up a single point in 1917 or 1919.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_Aggies_football

The 1917 team finished 8–0–0 and unscored upon, earning a retroactive national title by 1st-N-Goal and James Howell

LOL, ok then. 1st n Goal and James Howell it is.

1917
270 points to 0

College football back then was a very regional sport. The east coast teams got a ton more recognition than the teams in the southwest. When you shut out every team that you play I think that you claim it. Who deserves the retroactive national championship in 1917 more than Texas A&M?

1917 Football Season (8-0)
Date Opponent / Event Location Result
Fri, Oct 05 Austin College College Station, Texas W 66-0
Fri, Oct 12 Dallas Univ. College Station, Texas W 98-0
Mon, Oct 22 Southwestern College Station, Texas W 20-0
Sat, Oct 27 vs. LSU San Antonio, Texas W 27-0
Fri, Nov 02 Tulane College Station, Texas W 35-0
Sat, Nov 10 @ Baylor * Waco, Texas W 7-0
Tue, Nov 20 Texas * College Station, Texas W 7-0
Thu, Nov 29 @ Rice Houston, Texas W 10-0







[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 8:30p).]

Per Collegefootballdatawarehouse:
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/texas_a&m/all_national_champs.php

5 Total Major College National Championship Year(s)

1st
1917
8-0-0
1st-N-Goal
James Howell

2nd
1919
10-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Bernie McCarty
Billingsley Report
Cliff Morgan
Harry Frye
James Howell
Jim Koger
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
Patrick Premo

3rd
1927
8-0-1
Bill Libby
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
David Wilson
Loren Maxwell
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Sagarin Ratings
Soren Sorensen
The State's National Champions

4th:
1939
11-0-0
1st-N-Goal
Angelo Louisa
Associated Press
Bill Libby
Billingsley Report
Boand System
Bob Kirlin
Bob Royce
Century Football Index
Cliff Morgan
College Football Researchers Association
College Football USA
David Wilson
Dunkel System
George Trevor
Harry DeVold
Harry Frye
Helms Athletic Foundation
Houlgate System
James Howell
James Whalen
Jim Koger
Lawrence Baker
Loren Maxwell
Massy Ratings
Mel Smith
National Championship Foundation
Nutshell Sports Football Ratings
Patrick Premo
Poling System
What's What
Williamson System

5th
1976
10-2-0
Bob Kirlin

I will admit, the 5th NC in 1976 is kinda hard to claim. However, other major teams are claiming NC's off of the same criteria that awarded the Aggies NC's in 1917, 1919 and 1927.





[This message has been edited by wavodano (edited 7/8/2012 8:34p).]

If USC claims 1939 then Texas A&M should claim 1917.

UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

Year Coach Selector Record Bowl
1928 Howard Jones Dickinson System 9-0-1 -
1931 Howard Jones Helms, CFRA, NCF 10-1 Won Rose
1932 Howard Jones Helms, CFRA, NCF 10-0 Won Rose
1939 Howard Jones Dickinson System 8-0-2 Won Rose
1962 John McKay AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI 11-0 Won Rose
1967 John McKay AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI 10-1 Won Rose
1972 John McKay AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI 12-0 Won Rose
1974 John McKay FWAA, NFF, UPI 10-1-1 Won Rose
1978 John Robinson UPI 12-1 Won Rose
2003 Pete Carroll AP, FWAA 12-1 Won Rose
2004 Pete Carroll AP, BCS(vacated[60]), FWAA (vacated[61]) 11-0 Won Orange (vacated)
Total national championships 11

That same year, Georgia Tech outscored its opponents 491-17, which is probably why they are considered "national champions" by 20 of the various selectors, compared to your two.

But that's fine, I truly did not know any organization had retroactively proclaimed A&M as 1917 national champion.

As a side note, I've always considered this list from the NCAA as more accurate; while the NCAA does not officially recognize a national championship, I believe it does recognize certain selectors, if that makes sense.

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

But Georgia Tech didn't shut out every team like A&M did...j/k

Since Texas A&M and Georgia Tech did not get a chance to settle it on the field I think that Texas A&M has as much claim to the 1917 title as USC has to the 1939 title.

Georgia Tech claims 4 titles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tech_Yellow_Jackets

* Men's
Football: 1917, 1928, 1952, 1990

In addition to GT not shutting out everyone on their schedule I think their team looked a little light in the loafers...


Georgia Tech's great 1917 backfield: (left to right) halfback Everett Strupper, fullback Judy Harlan, halfback Joe Guyon, and quarterback Albert Hill.

http://tiptop25.com/champ1917.html










[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 8:53p).]

^ this

Can we also claim 1896 or one of those years around there as we were undefeated I believe?

Here was Georgia Tech's 1917 schedule. They played every game at home except one. Not knowing the teams back then I'm not sure if it is a tough schedule or not.

Date Home Team Score Visit Team Record Location Notes A.P. Poll
Sat, 9/29/1917 Georgia Tech 25 - 0 (W) Furman 1-0 Atlanta, GA
Sat, 9/29/1917 Georgia Tech 33 - 0 (W) Wake Forest 2-0 Atlanta, GA
Sat, 10/6/1917 Georgia Tech 41 - 0 (W) Penn 3-0 Atlanta, GA
Sat, 10/13/1917 Georgia Tech 32 - 10 (W) Davidson 4-0 Atlanta, GA
Sat, 10/20/1917 Georgia Tech 63 - 0 (W) Washington & Lee University 5-0 Atlanta, GA
Sat, 11/3/1917 Georgia Tech 83 - 0 (W) Vanderbilt 6-0 Atlanta, GA
Sat, 11/10/1917 Tulane 0 - 48 (W) Georgia Tech 7-0 New Orleans, LA
Sat, 11/17/1917 Georgia Tech 98 - 0 (W) Carlisle Indian 8-0 Atlanta, GA
Thu, 11/29/1917 Georgia Tech 68 - 7 (W) Auburn 9-0 Atlanta, GA









[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/8/2012 9:17p).]

Adding those to the facade of New Kyle would be cute.

Roll damn Tide

1925
1926
1930
1934
1941
1961
1964
1965
1973
1978
1979
1992
2009
2011

You didn't win your first national championship until 1925?

I want all 4

I will say it really pissed me off a few years ago when USC claimed 1939. I kinda feel we're no better than them to start grabbing some of these

I recall being told once that back in 1917 we were waiting to be awarded the national championship, but got snubbed. As a result in 1919, we snubbed whoever wanted to award us the national championship. Of course this is probably untrue, but w/e.

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I recall being told once that back in 1917 we were waiting to be awarded the national championship, but got snubbed.

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It was DeLoss Dodds, who was just a young lad back then.

Its time to start a texags movement about this. Thumbs up if you want our admin to claim these titles.

The more, the merrier! We can sell recruits with our long winning traditions, & hang championship banners in Kyle Field, etc.

1905 (National Championship Foundation Poll)
1913 (Parke H. Davis) (2)

These are the National Championships for the University of Chicago....let's stop being so gay.

USC had 2 ties in 1939!!! Who did they tie??

1917 and 1919 for sure!!!! Undefeated and unscored upon! Wow!!!

Keep this thread rollin.

I agree

The Aggies will claim those championship years once they win another championship.

Texas A&M 1917 Football Team




[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 7/9/2012 11:22a).]

It's interesting to see how football has changed with integration.

I approve

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

this list looks the most legit.....we have 2 titles

I've always wondered the same thing. Take 'em. If USC can go back and arbitrarily take 1939, we can get the other ones.

lets claim the all...lets get on this!!!