This should have been at WTA&M!!

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http://kfyo.com/texas-tech-unveils-plans-for-veterinary-school-at-ttuhsc-amarillo-campus/

Texas Tech Unveils Plans for Veterinary School at TTUHSC Amarillo Campus

I've been harping for years that WTA&M should be doing this!!

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Texas Tech announced on December 4, 2015, they are developing a veterinary medicine school and doctoral program to fill the needs of their students as well as the region's agriculture industry.
The college of Agricultural Sciences & Natural Resources is developing the program along with the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center.
Texas Tech University System Chancellor Robert Duncan cited West Texas' plethora of ranches and livestock enterprises and their impact on the regional economy in deciding to develop the program.
Duncan said in a release, "Our vision goes beyond the establishment of a veterinary school, setting out to transform the landscape of veterinary medicine education and provide innovative solutions for the industry's future."


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They can plan, but do they have state approval yet?

And I agree with you, but maybe their pharmacy and med school n the area give them a leg up on WT
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Amarillo already has a TAMU Vet College branch, the Vetetinary Medical Diagnostc Laboratory. It's in the Amarillo Medical complex near to the AgriLife (do all TAMU agriculture Aggies hate that word as much as I do?) research & extension center on Amarillo Blvd. I'm not sure about the veterinary demand in the large animal field. In research, veterinarians didn't command much demand. I've heard they were over supplied. Most of the veterinarians that I know migrate to more lucrative small animal practices.
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This is a good article. Sharp is going to block Tceh and build our own at WT.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/12/04/texas-tech-planning-open-vet-school/
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One of the vets there is an Ag and a good friend
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A quick check of the Yellow Pages lists 91 listings in Lubbock. I didn't check to see if that is a listing of just clinics or doctors. Seems like a shortage if you drive around there is a clinic on every other corner not covered by a Baptist Church. This is just another political ploy from the good Chancellor Duncan trying an end around while he has political connections. Not every Jimmy and Jane who wants to play doctors to a cow needs to be a vet. There is also an influx of Colorado vets in this area. Maybe they can offer a dual vet?taxidermy degree - you get your precious pet back either way
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http://texags.com/forums/27/topics/2698861

Over a hundred hits on same subject...
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clap clap clap WAH!!!

http://lubbockonline.com/education/2016-01-25/texas-am-announce-vet-school-partnership-wt#.Vqc7z_krK00

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Quote:The next round of presentations supporting more veterinary education in the Texas Panhandle comes to Canyon Thursday, when representatives from the Texas A&M University System will make an announcement at West Texas A&M University.
Officials are expected to name WT one of four pilot sites in Texas that will work with A&M's four-year veterinary school in College Station to create "a strong pre-veterinary educational foundation, (doctor of veterinary medicine) externship programs, distance education, and more," a university news release states.
The news conference comes more than a month after a delegation of officials from Texas Tech traveled to Amarillo to unveil Tech's plans to pursue a veterinary school in Amarillo.
WT officials declined to comment on what was to come in their announcement Thursday.
But in a December interview, WT President J. Patrick O'Brien said conversations with A&M leaders about expanding the pre-veterinary program in Canyon have been going on since 2009.
"We've got 130 pre-vet majors already," O'Brien said, "and we expect that's going to grow with a faculty who will be here on campus as part of the veterinary medicine program."
He said students would be able to complete their pre-vet program and part of their next four years of schooling on the Canyon campus.
O'Brien said WT would host A&M's first announcement. The other three would take place later at Tarleton State Un
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Just left the PC announcing the partnership, which was well explained by Sharp. Has been in the works for 6 years. The coordinating board has to approve new programs, and six years ago they determined Texas does not need a new vet school, and directed A&M to expand exactly as they are now with WTAMU, and with Tarleton, A&M Kingsville and Prairie View. Hard to see how Tech's vision would get the nod. Good day for the Texas Panhandle.
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Texas Tech to develop 'accelerated model' for proposed vet school

A proposed Texas Tech University veterinary school in Amarillo could see its students graduating in six short years, a plan university officials said could reduce loan debt and get more large-animal vets to underserved areas like the Texas Panhandle.

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Excellent Article by the American Veterinary Medical Association

https://www.avma.org/News/JAVMANews/Pages/160401h.aspx

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Quote:The two institutions' plans may have been announced in December and January, but they've been in the works for a while.
As far back as the '70s, Texas Tech tried to create a veterinary school. Dr. Galyean said the proposal never got off the ground "for a variety of reasons, a lot of which was related to funding choices people had to make."
TAMU's veterinary college, which celebrates its centennial this year, hasn't expanded enrollment for many years; it remains at 132, with up to 10 students a year from out of state.
Dr. Green said that with the new complex set to open, "We have no constraints now to fill all the veterinary educational needs for the state at a fraction of the cost of what it would take to build a new veterinary school."
She continued, "We've been working on this plan for six years, and we have collaborated with Texas Tech and will continue to do so, but we need to work on this partnership with the four universities first, and once we get that done, we can go back and talk about what else is needed and if there are further ways to partner."
Part of the impetus behind TAMU's expansion came from a 2009 report by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board (PDF) that said there was a need to enlarge the pipeline of rural-based veterinarians to better serve the livestock industry along with wildlife interests. According to the education board's report, in 2005, the veterinary college "did an informal survey of its incoming students, and a majority indicated that they intended to be food and fiber (or large animal) veterinarians and to practice in a rural area. But by the end of the four years of veterinary study, most students had changed their minds and, years later, it appears that even fewer still have followed through with their early intentions."
The report also outlined the need to increase the number of underrepresented minorities entering the profession. Ultimately, the board reported there was no need for a second veterinary school but that Texas A&M's veterinary college could increase enrollment to meet future state needs.
In response, the Texas A&M System began beefing up its agriculture and animal health programs at the four universities while planning the new veterinary teaching complex at College Station. The veterinary college also continued its efforts to attract minorities and students interested in food animal and rural mixed practice.
TAMU's veterinary college expanded the bovine teaching herd at its Riverside campus, developed a faculty mentoring program for graduate students interested in food animal practice, started a rural practice job fair for graduates, and established a program for undergraduates and high school students interested in working with rural veterinarians.
Dr. Green estimates one-third of students who enter the veterinary college are interested in food animal medicine or mixed practice. "And then we do lose some along the way. One reason is, with students learning about all the career options available (in veterinary medicine), many change their minds just because they're exposed to things they had not been exposed to before. We expect to lose some, but we're hoping some programs we have will keep those numbers growing."





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I hope whoever wrote that article is better at education than they are at geography. TTHSC is in Happy, WT is in Kress, Tech is in Lamesa, A&M is in Milano, Tarlton is in Ballinger, Prarie View is in LaGrange, and TAMUK is in....well, they may actually be in Kingsville.
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now that's funny right there, that is...
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http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-07-21/agency-texas-doesnt-need-any-more-traditional-veterinary-schools

http://www.dailytoreador.com/news/board-discusses-tech-vet-school/article_36f6ab34-5029-11e6-949e-c7189b5fc29f.html


Tech certainly seems able to draw conclusions to enable them to continue this pursuit in spite of studies and major investments at the A&M College Station and WTA&M campuses...


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James Hallmark, vice chancellor for academic affairs for Texas A&M and interim president for West Texas A&M, said he certainly hopes a partnership with Tech and A&M can come out of this. There is both a need and interest around the panhandle to set up that type of program, he said.

"I think I can speak for the members of the coordinating board, we certainly hope that (Texas) A&M and Texas Tech will work together to see if you can come up with a partnership," Raymund A. Paredes, commission of higher education for THECB said. "Its pretty clear Texas Tech is interested in a veterinary school and focus primarily on large animals."
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This is the biggest bunch of B.S. I've read in a loooong time...

http://amarillo.com/opinion/opinion-columnist/guest-columnist/2016-08-20/texas-tech-amarillo-answer-call-veterinary#

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http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-08-24/texas-tech-details-vet-school-plan
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Texas Tech University's plans to build a new veterinary school in Amarillo use an approach that forgoes expensive construction and potentially allows undergraduates to enter the program earlier, with the hope that the school will receive significant philanthropic support.

On Wednesday, Tech System Chancellor Robert Duncan and other Tech officials presented several ways they plan to overcome upcoming hurdles in their quest to open the school by the fall of 2019: Gaining approval of the program from The Higher Education Coordinating Board, Texas' higher education oversight agency, and securing funding from the Texas Legislature.
In a recent report, Coordinating Board staff recognized that there isn't a need for a new traditional veterinary school, but members left the door open for a college that can find an "innovative, cost-efficient" way to produce large-animal veterinarians, which are in short supply in Texas.
The university hopes to accelerate the time to a DVM degree for students by allowing undergraduates to enter the degree program after two or three years instead of the traditional four.

umber of family practitioners, which face a similar issue revolving around student debt and salaries.
"We wouldn't condense the four years of professional veterinary training, but where we can focus is the pre-vet period," Interim Vice President for Research Guy Loneragan said.

Another primary focus of the university will be implementing a veterinary school model developed in Calgary, which involves forging partnerships with regional veterinary practices to provide clinical experiences for students in lieu of a centralized teaching hospital.
"I think it's going to be a very efficient model for the legislature to consider," Duncan said, adding that he planned for the system to seek state funding during the next legislative session, which convenes in January.
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Potentially complicating the plan is the fact that Texas A&M University System is set to soon complete a $120 million veterinary teaching complex at its flagship College Station campus and begin an initiative that will see specialists sent to regional campuses to funnel students from those areas into its bolstered veterinary school. The system in January announced that West Texas A&M University would be a part of that initiative.
A&M brass has pointed to the recent Coordinating Board report as justification of its own efforts to expand. A similar report several years ago called for Texas A&M University to increase its vet school enrollment and recognize a need for more large-animal vets.
"The solution that the Coordinating Board asked for was followed by Texas A&M completely, and now the system schools are involved in it, too," A&M System Chancellor John Sharp said during a Monday meeting with the Amarillo Globe-News editorial board.
Sharp looked to a planned $48 million Agricultural Sciences Complex at WT, which is set to largely be funded by tuition revenue bonds that are paid back by the state, as supporting a pipeline from the Texas Panhandle to College Station. Sharp also said the system planned on asking for more appropriations to further strengthen its partnership with regional universities.
Referring to the two plans, Sharp said, "The legislature is not going to fund them both
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http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/texas-tech-forms-panel-on-second-veterinary-school/article_a9db867d-d5c6-5f6d-ae20-f13608c99100.html

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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:00 am

The Texas Tech University System announced the formation of a steering committee for its proposed College of Veterinary Medicine on Wednesday, moving forward with the planned program despite questions over the need for an additional veterinary medicine college in the state.

The committee, made up of veterinary, agricultural and community leaders, is set to collaborate on a vision for the proposed rural-focused college, which is planned to be established at the Texas Tech University Health Science Center in Amarillo.
Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp called the Texas Tech System's decision to move forward unnecessary, raising questions over the need for an additional program alongside Texas A&M's planned expansion.
"They're trying to solve a problem that we have spent $120 million in the last five years solving and the coordinating board told us to solve," Sharp said. "I think the coordinating board spoke it better than I do; we don't need another vet school. This one is the third-best in the country, and there's no reason to dilute it by taking money away from it to give to some other vet school that may or may not even be accredited."
In July, the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board reaffirmed its earlier decision that the state is not in need of any additional veterinary colleges to supplement those operated through the Texas A&M University System, including new regional partnerships with West Texas A&M University, Prairie View A&M University, Texas A&M University-Kingsville and Tarleton State University that were announced in January.
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http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-09-17/city-mulls-giving-15m-tech-vet-school

Tehc wants city of Amarillo to kick in $15M to get vet school started. City mulls giving $15 million incentive for Texas Tech vet school
Amarillo.com - 11 hours ago
Amarillo City Council is set to sign off on a $15 million incentive to help fund Texas Tech ...

https://www.ttuhsc.edu/amarillo/vetschool.aspx
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http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2016-09-20/amarillo-approves-15-million-incentive-texas-tech-vet-school#.V-JRWPkrK00

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Quote:AMARILLO Texas Tech officials hope a $15 million incentive funded through Amarillo's half-cent sales tax will help motivate the state Legislature to appropriate funds for a new College of Veterinary Medicine in Amarillo.
Tech officials estimate the new school will cost around $80 million to $90 million.
University officials called the $15 million grant from the Amarillo Economic Development Corp. a major step forward for Tech's vision of enhancing rural and large-animal veterinary medicine by focusing on improving animal health in the heart of the beef and dairy cattle industry.
The incentive package, which was penned by the economic development corporation, will give Tech $1.5 million annually for 10 years. Under proposed terms of the incentive agreement, Tech must begin construction by Sept. 1, 2018, and commence facility operations no later than Sept. 1, 2022. Tech also will need to pay at least $50 million in payroll and benefits to employees of the veterinary school during a five-year period beginning Sept. 1, 2022.

If Texas Tech does not meet the payroll target, the final incentive installment will be reduced, according to the agreement.
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http://www.newschannel10.com/story/33379159/wt-working-to-recruit-more-area-pre-vet-students

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CANYON, TX (KFDA) -
West Texas A&M University's College of Agriculture and Natural Sciences is working to recruit more panhandle residents into its pre-vet program through a partnership with Texas A&M University's vet school.
The Texas A&M System is working to expand the reach of its vet program to its partner schools, starting first with WT.
This new partnership is intended to increase the number of rural veterinarians in the panhandle.
The newly established Memorandum of Agreement between WT and Texas A&M aims to pipeline students directly from Canyon to College Station for vet school.
The agreement between the 2 schools adds 5 spots to the next Texas A&M vet school class reserved specifically for WT students who show interest in rural vet medicine.
"We're embedded in the feed lots and the meat industry and the animal industry in the panhandle, and we have those resources that the A&M system has recognized," said Dr. Dean Hawkins, Dean of the College of Agriculture and Natural Sciences. "We're going to use them to the full advantage of the state of Texas."
The new vet staff will help all pre-vet students prepare for this program, as well as reach into the community to find more students who will want to come back and serve as veterinarians in the panhandle.
"If you recruit somebody from a certain area, the tendency is about 66% of them actually drift back toward their homes," said Dr. Dan Posey, one of two new veterinarians on WT's staff. "It's the family ties and community ties that do that."
Posey said about 30% of A&M's vet students serve rural populations, and he believes WT's partnership can help increase that number.
"Our job is to identify country kids that will go back to those rural communities and provide economic impact and stability to those small towns where a veterinarian is a big part of the community," said Hawkins.
A new 140,000 square foot agriculture building is breaking ground this Friday, and it is intended to help recruit these students.
The building will hold new classrooms, labs, offices, a state-of-the-art meat lab, and an arena with spectator seating for animal showing and evaluations.
Hawkins said the Texas A&M System has placed this new building at the top of its priority list, and it's set to open for the Fall 2018 semester.
The groundbreaking will take place Friday morning, October 14th, at 10:30 on campus for anyone interested in learning more.
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http://amarillo.com/news/latest-news/2016-10-14/wt-starts-work-48m-ag-complex


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West Texas A&M University celebrated the groundbreaking of a $48.1 million Agricultural Sciences Complex on Friday.
Called "the largest and most extensive construction project" on the WT campus in recent memory by WT President Walter V. Wendler, the nearly 160,000-square-foot complex will become the centerpiece of the school's agricultural sciences program and play a significant role in a veterinary partnership with Texas A&M University. It is slated for completion by fall 2018.
"Our aim at the Texas A&M System is to be nothing short of the most important resource for the agriculture industry in the Panhandle, period," Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told a crowd of community members, students, area dignitaries and elected officials that numbered in the hundreds.
Located east of Buffalo Sports Park, the complex includes a research laboratory, meat lab, classrooms, a multipurpose arena and office space that will allow for a doubling of agricultural sciences faculty.
Also featured is a pavilion for courses involving live animals and special events. The building will be named the Piehl-
Schaeffer Pavilion after the two families that gifted $1.5 million to the university.
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http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/texas-a-m-veterinary-college-opens-new-m-complex/article_bb4d4b8f-20af-5005-80f7-1cae82a3a8b3.html

Texas A&M veterinary college opens new $120M complex

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As the centennial year of Texas A&M University's College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences nears its end, the college hosted an official grand opening for its new, $120 million education complex Friday. Hundreds gathered in front of the 300,000-square-foot complex alongside U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, State Sen. Charles Schwertner, State Rep. John Raney, Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp and the A&M System Board of Regents.


In December 2015, Texas Tech University System announced its intention to develop plans for a veterinary school focused on the care of large animals based out of the Texas Tech University Health Science Center in Amarillo, just 20 miles from West Texas A&M's program in Canyon.
Citing a different interpretation of the coordinating board's ruling, Texas Tech officials said they believe there is room for the potential new school.
Addressing Texas Tech's plans, Sharp emphasized the vet school's expansion was tailored to address the needs set out by the coordinating board through both the new education complex and the school's regional partnerships with A&M System members West Texas A&M University, Prairie View A&M University, Texas A&M University-Kingsville and Tarleton State University.

"Going into its second century, the future of the Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences has never looked brighter," Cornyn said. "Beyond this beautiful new building, Texas A&M is working with its system schools to make sure that every part of Texas has access to the tremendous veterinary care provided by those coming out of this institution."

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https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/07/texas-tech-places-its-plans-new-veterinary-school-/

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Texas Tech plans for new veterinary school now "on pause"

Texas Tech University's plans to open a veterinary school in Amarillo have been placed on hold for now, the school's governing system confirmed.

The staff of the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board said in July that the state doesn't need another traditional veterinary school, arguing the cost would outweigh the benefits.

Now, the future seems uncertain. The Tech System Board of Regents will meet in mid-December and could provide more clarity for if, or how, the system should move forward. Meanwhile, the system is also working to develop a dental school in El Paso, which it hopes will open in 2020.
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Got their hand slapped.
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http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2016-12-10/am-looking-after-itself-or-after-west-texas

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Is A&M looking after itself or after West Texas?

Jon Mark Beilue is an AGN Media columnist. He can be reached at jon.beilue@amarillo

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This article is very misleading. While it is understandable that Tech feels like it should be the leader in the Texas Panhandle in all things, the staff of the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board said in July that the state of Texas doesn't need another traditional veterinary school, arguing the cost would outweigh the benefits. The State had already provided over $120M in recent funding to A&M which significantly enlarged the primary tertiary Vet school at College Station and has made satellite several locations around the state who have been designated as feeders into this expanded program for the final Vet School training. This addition can be seen at:http://today.tamu.edu/2016/11/07/texas-ams-new-veterinary-biomedical-education-complex-to-open-friday/ WTA&M at Canyon is one of those feeder programs and has been linked to the main campus at A&M for many years - and is being strengthened as this drama unfolds. The idea that ANY "healthcare professional" will opt for rural vs a city office is a shot in the dark at best as has been proven in the past by similar well meaning application requirements. And, like all professional programs, the industry does not want to become overburdened with practitioners who will subsequently reduce the income possibilities of those already licensed. In addition, all feed lot activities and large ranches have their own vets or contracts with vets without any "shortage" being identified. Tech ill-advisedly took this project on without fully investigating the requirement - and made up a reason without substantiation. Furthermore, getting into a Vet school anywhere is extremely competitive - just because a person wants to be a vet does not mean he/she has the acuity to do the basic classwork and eventually make it into final Vet school. In fact, it is more difficult to get into Vet school than into Med school in many instances. To have guaranteed slots from a feeder program at WT is fantastic for those local persons from the Panhandle who can cut the mustard and get into one of those guaranteed slots. While Tech is making many inroads into other areas of medicine, to think that picking up hours OJT in a local Vet's office in lieu of in a proper classroom setting is also far fetched. Interns and residents get their OJT practice AFTER matriculating from Vet school (and medical school) - not while still a student - which is generally an 8-10 year process. To be a registered board certified Vet the candidate will become familiar with nearly 300 types of animals - not just farm and ranch animals - that can only come with a very large established curriculum program in a proper setting with all the requisite animals available for study - and not in a local vets office which probably does focus on a particular type - and that's assuming the local vet is qualified and interested in taking on "students" to begin with. West Texas A&M University: Texas A&M System to Extend Reach of Texas A&M College of Veterinary Medicine & Biomedical Sciences




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Your article is well written - but terribly bias... main reason is that Texas A&M has had this expansion plan in the works for many years - and the $120M of which you speak has now been built and is now occupied (see references below) - which has to have been budgeted for, funded, and constructed long before the Tech proposal hit the wall to see what might stick... Your article would make it appear as though this recently completed addition was a rebuttal to the Tech proposed Vet School in Amarillo.

As a former student at WT, Tech and graduate of A&M and having grown up in Amarillo I understand the economic impact that might have occurred had this proposal been approved... But, to think that duplicating the already existing services (being expanded) at WTA&M and thinking that an "animal hospital" (with associated pens, etc.,) could be located in the Amarillo Hospital District area is feasible is simply not rational.

And, neither is the idea of getting logistical support from local veterinarians - who are either already gainfully employed (or contracted) by the feed lots and slaughter houses and ranches - or are small animal focused (where the real $$ are) - certainly not qualified to teach large animal care - none of whom have "teaching credentials" to support the plan offered. But, there are qualified personnel already in place at WTA&M - which, is expanding to meet the perceived need - as elsewhere throughout the state by A&M.

I realize your frustration - but, like others have proposed - duplicating the main campus capabilities at College Station is simply too monumental a task to attempt within reasonable funding. You really must visit there sometimes. They have entire centers of excellence for equine, bovine, chickens, pigs, etc., to support the Vet School there - in addition to Clinical Animal Hospitals, Clinics, and do clinical research as well. None of which could be done at the Amarillo Medical Center - and only some of which can even be done at WTA&M.

Your last bit of information about a branch campus in Costa Rica is interesting - as is the Dental School in El Paso. Maybe the Dental School should be in Amarillo? There are several off-shore Vet schools in the Caribbean as well - but none able to provide the final years required to become licensed. Each of them still have to go to OSU, KS State, or A&M, etc., to be finally credentialed - and slots are reserved for their graduates as well.

And, FWIW, when Gov Preston Smith was governor in the early 70's he kabashed the proposed A&M Medical School which was planning to partner with the Debakey Heart/Houston Methodist and got the Tech Med School funded instead... And, A&M ended up with a later Health Science Center in 1977 (grads of '81) and finally a full fledged Medical School in 1994 approved and partnered with Waco VA and Scott and White in Temple - not nearly so prestigious - but a recent agreement with Baylor Hospital in Dallas is helping. A&M presently has over 800 students enrolled in Med School - and yes, they do some work at the Vet College as well. And here's the best part - guess what the basis for the new Med School at both places was? ....yep, to provide for a shortage of rural docs! Which, sometimes works but more often as not, the better students end up at the bigger, more prestigious hospitals where they can get residencies and much more $$. Regardless, just so the record is somewhat clear - the A&M-Tech battles are not new and have been nip and tuck for many years.

Not sure this helps, but I feel better...
IF some of my information is incorrect - well, so was theirs...

in fact, much of the Beilue argument is overriding butthurt re the PUF... tsk tsk...

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Fact is, this is basically business as usual in higher education in the state. Look no further than the Permanent University Fund (PUF), the largesse of oil reserves in West Texas that is the sole province of Texas and A&M.
Eight years ago, the PUF had $8.8 billion in investments.
In 2014, UT earned $430 million, and A&M took in $215 million from PUF.
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...and somehow TT thinks that opening a "vet school" in Costa Rica will be the solution? Really? This is the solution for "rural Texas large animal training" - in monkey/parrot paradise??

Truth is all of the Caribbean "vet schools" are "BASIC pre-vet classwork" l(after a B.S. degree from "someplace") and then on to a real accredited vet school for the "ADVANCED courses" - which puts these candidates right back where they started - applying to an accredited Vet School in the CONUS.

True, it is a way to get the nose of the camel into the tent for those who failed to get initial acceptance to an accredited College of Vet Medicine, but it still has a long way to go and just adds another giant hopeful step to be the solution for these candidates. Prevet schools like the one at St Kitts have "slots" in real vet schools that their best candidates can compete for but nothing is guaranteed. It is a last ditch hope for those committed to becoming a real DVM. True, some make it - I have a nephew who comes from a prominent ranching family in OK who has done just this OSU>St Kitts>K-State - and is now practicing in Fort Smith, AR - but it took him 12 years to go this route - a TON of $$ and moving around - and he is now doing citified cats and dogs...

The program at WTA&M-Canyon will have guaranteed matriculation slots into the advanced course final vet education/licensing program at A&M-College Station so that advanced student candidates from the local Panhandle area can be duly represented.

Even if TT were successful in getting their local program approved, their candidates would still have to journey to College Station to take their Boards for final certification. Without the broad background and training offered at the comprehensive A&M campus how many of these "locally trained" students are likely to pass the Board? Right - unlikely - it would be a disservice to those candidates and likely years of wasted toil!!

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=vet%20schools%20in%20the%20caribbean
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So much for Sharp helping out the Panhandle.

Large Animal Vet school now proposed for TAMU-Kingsville.
85(R) HB 2242

The Tech proposal makes much more sense for the state and certainly for the Panhandle.
[url=http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Search/DocViewer.aspx?ID=85RHB022421B&QueryText=][/url]
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What was Sharp supposed to do, shoot the Representative who filed the bill? The rep is a teasip from the Kingsville area.
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Annnnnnnddddddd......Tech pulls out for the current session

http://amarillo.com/local-news/news/business/2017-02-24/pause-halt-tech-won-t-seek-funding-amarillo-vet-school

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The Texas Tech University System Board of Regents voted Friday to not seek funding from the Texas Legislature this session for a veterinary medicine school in Amarillo.

The move throws the long-term future of the project, which was paused in December, even further into doubt.

The Legislature convened in January, and lawmakers will craft a budget for the next two fiscal years, meaning another opportunity for the university system to seek funding likely won't arise until 2019.
The board unanimously adopted a resolution Friday that said it was opting to not ask for funding because of "limited budget funds available to the state of Texas for the next biennium" and "the need to emphasize other funding priorities for the Texas Tech University System."
They broke.

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How deserving!!
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http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/politics/2017-02-27/lawmakers-debate-whether-texas-am-meeting-state-s-veterinary

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Just days after Texas Tech University System regents voted to not seek legislative funding for a new school of veterinary medicine in Amarillo, lawmakers in Austin debated whether Texas A&M University, which has the lone vet school in Texas, is truly meeting the state's needs.

At a Senate Committee on Agriculture, Water and Rural Affairs hearing Monday, Texas A&M University officials said they were solving a lack of rural veterinarians in Texas through close partnerships with other system campuses in rural areas.

However, several at the hearing were skeptical, including committee Chairman Charles Perry, a Republican from Lubbock.....


Perry also questioned Texas A&M's timing.

The university announced its pipeline in January 2016, just a month after the Tech System announced its intentions to build a school in Amarillo....

(Wrong. A&M was working on it for quite a while, Tech just tried to cut them off)

Perry, a Texas Tech University graduate, emphasized his concerns were about the "public safety issue" of maintaining the state's food supply....

"It's not just about turf battle and alma maters," Perry said.



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Sour Grapes after the fact... Too little, too late for Tech. Talking about who cut in on whom and accusing A&M is just silly.

WT has been ripe for this program for a loooong time - and when it became part of the A&M System, I think this issue germinated coincidentally...
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I think this issue germinated coincidentally...
I thought I read that John Sharp was planning the announcement about WT, and called the Tech Chancellor as courtesy, to let him know what was happening in his back yard.

Then the Tech guys came up with their Amarillo announcement, getting ahead of A&M.

Sharp was pretty angry about that, is what I read.
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Interesting,

But, I was talking about when WT was accepted into the A&M System several years ago, there was talk about a vet satellite facility then but took a while for it to come to light - and when it did it came along with several other locations around the state. To me, that shows a lot of thought that over time will serve the state of Texas well.

Not to disparage Tech, but at one time WT was just as big and in the same athletic conference, etc. And, was a natural for vet services unique to the Panhandle.

I realize Tech in the worst way wants to "catch up" to A&M - and, I believe has made up a lot of ground in many ways representing "West" Texas... But, when it comes to elite programs, A&M is hard to beat and Tech is still in our dust in most all respects. I have a lot of Tech friends - as I'm sure you do also - who still cannot understand why I chose A&M and passed them by when I chose a college to attend.

I will admit Texas is such a vast panoply of various climates and geographical differences it is hard to be the answer to all things in all areas, but with the Extension Services and now feeder vet programs into a world class tertiary Vet Center A&M continues to assert itself in many positive ways. Overlap is usually unnecessary and a waste of resources from the central kitty in Austin.

Over the years I have lived and worked professionally in San Antonio, Austin and the DFW area besides B-CS and Amarillo. Frankly, I am glad the Panhandle is blessed with WT - and Tech - as the DFW/I-35/Austin/San Antonio/Houston triangle tends to forget anything in the west and true northern-western-south/valley - and especially the Panhandle - parts of the state.
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http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/03/03/in-battle-over-veterinary-school-texas-am-routs-texas-tech/

lengthy discussion in the Statesman...
 
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