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drove this week from north to south across Kansas, first time to really see Kansas.

the drive through the 'flint hills' was just beautiful - rolling prairie like i've never seen anywhere else. i couldn't help imagining a bison herd over the next hill. question for kansas ags - any bison in this area? i didn't see any signs of ranching or development at all, seems like a perfect place for a 'yellowstone'-scale bison herd.

if you've never driven i35 / 335 north of Wichita, and think of Kansas as being all farmland, take the drive someday. it is well worth it.

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Beautiful area! Used to make that drive from Wichita to KC quite a bit. Never saw any buffalo but always just gazed out as far as I could looking for them or Pronghorn. Not sure there are even pronghorn in that part of the state though.
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My wife is from Northeastern Kansas. I was pleasantly surprised to learn that that part of the state is not completely flat and without trees.

Beautiful area really.

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My brother in law used to have family land up there. HUGE deer and more turkey than I've ever seen. Fields surrounded by woods just covered in turkey.
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There are a very few plains bison in Kansas, but I think they're pretty much just like stocker rainbow in the Guad.

White man well and dearly ****ed the bison good.
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the drive through the 'flint hills' was just beautiful - rolling prairie like i've never seen anywhere else. i couldn't help imagining a bison herd over the next hill. question for kansas ags - any bison in this area? i didn't see any signs of ranching or development at all, seems like a perfect place for a 'yellowstone'-scale bison herd.


Wait, what?? The Flint Hills are ugly, flat, treeless, and everyone should just stay at home and not bother to come up here.

There are large sorting cattle pens at multiple places along the Kansas Turnpike from Cassoday to Emporia. The Flint Hills are some of the last remaining tall grass prairie in the world and are heavily ranched. It's one of the largest stocker cattle grazing areas in the US.

Maybe you meant you didn't see many cattle, and if so then that could easily be. With the topography of the Hills they can be just over the rise and you'd never know it.

The Tallgrass Prairie National Preserve is just west of the Turnpike and has both bison and antelope, and a few private ranches have some bison. But the modern Flint Hills are cattle country for the most part.

If you can time it right and you REALLY want to see a show, come up in April when they're burning the hills. It's somewhat of an awe inspiring sight when they burn at night. Pictures just really don't do it justice...




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I rode from that route south to north last month headed to Sturgis.
It was not unpleasant at all. I was surprised that it wasn't as flat as many believe.
I did see one bison that was in a pen; it was near a crop and silo and I thought: that's about as typical Kansas as I can imagine.
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Maybe you meant you didn't see many cattle, and if so then that could easily be. With the topography of the Hills they can be just over the rise and you'd never know it.
this. at 80MPH out the window of the truck, it was no survey for sure. saw no fences or cattle for many miles - maybe just keeping the roadside looking good for tourists. beautiful country for sure.
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In this report, we apply basic scientific techniques to answer the question "Is Kansas as flat as a pancake?"

While driving across the American Midwest, it is common to hear travelers remark, "This state is as flat as a pancake." To the authors, this adage seems to qualitatively capture some characteristic of a topographic geodetic survey 2. This obvious question "how flat is a pancake" spurned our analytical interest, and we set out to find the 'flatness' of both a pancake and one particular state: Kansas.


Figure 1. (a) A well-cooked pancake; and (b) Kansas.

A Technical Approach to Pancakes and Kansas

Barring the acquisition of either a Kansas-sized pancake or a pancake-sized Kansas, mathematical techniques are needed to do a proper comparison. Some readers may find the comparing of a pancake and Kansas to be analogous to the comparing of apples and oranges; we refer those readers to a 1995 publication by NASA's Scott Sandford 3, who used spectrographic techniques to do a comparison of apples and oranges.
One common method of quantifying 'flatness' in geodesy is the 'flattening' ratio. The length of an ellipse's (or arc's) semi-major axis a is compared with its measured semi-minor axis b using the formula for flattening, f = (a b) / a. A perfectly flat surface will have a flattening f of one, whereas an ellipsoid with equal axis lengths will have no flattening, and f will equal zero.
For example, the earth is slightly flattened at the poles due to the earth's rotation, making its semi-major axis slightly longer than its semi-minor axis, giving a global f of 0.00335. For both Kansas and the pancake, we approximated the local ellipsoid with a second-order polynomial line fit to the cross-sections. These polynomial equations allowed us to estimate the local ellipsoid's semi-major and semi-minor axes and thus we can calculate the flattening measure f.

Materials and Methods
We purchased a well-cooked pancake from a local restaurant, the International House of Pancakes, and prepared it for analysis by separating a 2-cm wide sample strip that had not had time to desiccate. We collected macro-pancake topography through digital image processing of a pancake image and ruler for scale calibration (see Figure 2).


Figure 2. Pancake cross-sectional surface being digitized.

We made another topographic profile from the sample, using a confocal laser microscope. The importance of this research dictated that we not be daunted by the "No Food or Drink" sign posted in the microscopy room. The microscope collects one elevation point every 10 mm and has a maximum surface diameter of 2 cm (see Figure 3).


Figure 3. When viewed at a scale of 50 mm, a pancake appears more rugged than the Grand Canyon.

We measured a west-east profile across Kansas taken from merged 1:250,000 scale digital elevation model (DEM) data from the United States Geological Survey. In general, the spacing between adjacent elevation points on the landscape transects was approximately 90 meters. We extracted surface transects and flatness estimates from the Kansas and pancake DEM data using a geographic information system.

Results

The topographic transects of both Kansas and a pancake at millimeter scale are both quite flat, but this first analysis showed that Kansas is clearly flatter (see Figure 4).

Figure 4. Surface topography of Kansas and of a pancake.

Mathematically, a value of 1.000 would indicate perfect, platonic flatness. The calculated flatness of the pancake transect from the digital image is approximately 0.957, which is pretty flat, but far from perfectly flat. The confocal laser scan showed the pancake surface to be slightly rougher, still.
Measuring the flatness of Kansas presented us with a greater challenge than measuring the flatness of the pancake. The state is so flat that the off-the-shelf software produced a flatness value for it of 1. This value was, as they say, too good to be true, so we did a more complex analysis, and after many hours of programming work, we were able to estimate that Kansas's flatness is approximately 0.9997. That degree of flatness might be described, mathematically, as "damn flat."

Conclusion
Simply put, our results show that Kansas is considerably flatter than a pancake.

Notes

1. The photograph of Kansas is of an area near Wichita, Kansas. It may be of significance that the town of Liberal, Kansas hosts the annual 'International Pancake Day' festival.
2. To pump up our cross-disciplinary name-dropping, we should also mention that recently some quick-thinking cosmologists also described the universe as being "flatter than a pancake" after making detailed measurements of the cosmic background radiation.
3. "Comparing Apples and Oranges," S.A. Sandford, Annals of Improbable Research, vol. 1, no. 3, May/June 1995.

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Conclusion
Simply put, our results show that Kansas is considerably flatter than a pancake.
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Lived in the Flint Hills for nearly 2 years while my husband was in grad school. We loved it. And Sean's right; go in the spring to see the burns.
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Lived in the Flint Hills for nearly 2 years while my husband was in grad school. We loved it. And Sean's right; go in the spring to see the burns.


Emporia State?
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And we have this picture framed in the living room.
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Someone's been reading the Journal of Improbable Research. SWTSU research article, if I remember correctly. Had to laugh when I heard it came out, since I was living in KS at the time, in my first job after grad school. Wonderful people, flat, cold in winter, hot in summer, wind blows ALL the time, no SE to NW or NE to SW roads (or vice versa), damn few highways over two lanes, iffy restaurants but, yep, the Flint Hills and Southeastern KS are beautiful, full of wildlife (including huge white tails) and definitely worth the trip.
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Someone's been reading the Journal of Improbable Research. SWTSU research article, if I remember correctly. Had to laugh when I heard it came out, since I was living in KS at the time, in my first job after grad school. Wonderful people, flat, cold in winter, hot in summer, wind blows ALL the time, no SE to NW or NE to SW roads (or vice versa), damn few highways over two lanes, iffy restaurants but, yep, the Flint Hills and Southeastern KS are beautiful, full of wildlife (including huge white tails) and definitely worth the trip.
Ruth Ann and Lynn come down from Baxter Springs
That's one hell raisin' town way up in Southeastern Kansas
Got a biker bar next to the lingerie store
That's got them Rolling Stones lips up there where everyone can see 'em
And they burn all night you know they burn all night you know they burn all night

(Sorry, second McMurtry reference on this thread)
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K-State.
We went to Manhattan earlier this summer for a meeting. First time there in almost 9 years. Amazed at how much it has grown.
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The Flint Hills of Kansas are on the bucket list of every snake enthusiast in America. During spring emergence those rocks are like a candy store. I went in April of 2013 and found 655 snakes in 4 days with a friend. Quite the experience.















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That's awesome!!! Can we get a TexAgs (not kill it with fire) trip planned?
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Only if we can crash at Sean's
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Haha, doesn't he live outside of Topeka?

I'm all for it. He probably could use someone to help clear or some brush anyways.
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There is a 140 class WT behind each of those clumps of brush.
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Only if we can crash at Sean's


Bring it. I've got plenty of space. I'm about 1.5 miles from the Eastern edge of the don't hills, or am hour from the heart of the hills.

I live a bachelor lifestyle though so give me a few days notice so I can straighten up the place a little.
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I know it was tongue in cheek but the Flint Hills probably have the lowest deer density in Kansas but still have some really solid deer.
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