Sounds like to guy handled it pretty well. Defended himself, and didn't escalate the situation any more than it needed to be.

If it were me I would have pulled my carry right after the punch connected.

Crazy story.

I think he handled it very well according to his account. It's tough for any of us to know what we would do in that situation. I would have a hard time going to my car knowing this guy is following me.

He showed good restraint and I wish this story would be in the forefront of the MSM to show a responsible gun owner protecting himself.

I feel society has become so dependent on someone else taking care of many issues that we have lost our own thought process. There is too much security in thinking police will prevent crime. There is too much trust in doctors. Just not enough people researching, training, and looking out for themselves anymore.

As soon as the guy pushed him into the second set of doors, he should have immediately gone back inside, told the manager and called the police.

Allowing himself to be targeted any further after that was just stupid.

He should tell his wife not to forget anything at the store ever again.

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As soon as the guy pushed him into the second set of doors, he should have immediately gone back inside, told the manager and called the police.

Allowing himself to be targeted any further after that was just stupid.

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Yep. No way I just walk out at that point. I don't pull on that, and even if I didn't go talk to the manager, the second that dude kept following me to my truck, he woulda been informed of what would happen to him if he came near me. No way I let that guy get close enough to me to put his hands on my neck after already pushing me once.

That being said, this worked out well, and I'm sure the guy is glad about that. Constant situational awareness may prevent some of that. I think he showed amazing restraint. Probably TOO much. Happy he's safe and hope they find this guy.

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I feel society has become so dependent on someone else taking care of many issues that we have lost our own thought process. There is too much security in thinking police will prevent crime. There is too much trust in doctors. Just not enough people researching, training, and looking out for themselves anymore.

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Boom. Blue star for you sir right here.

Had I been pushed into some doors or (at all) I most definitely would have defended myself. His choice if he wants to throw hands or pull guns, but most assuredly he would not be touching me again.

The second after he threw me into the doors I would have been ending his worthless life.

Dude is more patient than me.

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The second after he threw me into the doors I would have been ending his worthless life.

Dude is more patient than me.

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That probably woulda gotten you arrested and charged. Guy pushes you from behind, you turn around and shoot him??

Taking a human life, even justifiably in defense or war, is not an inconsequential act. It changes a man.

Nope just go back in immediately and get the manager or call police. Don't even touch the guy unless he blocks you. If you're carrying a gun, your thought process has to change. Don't even put yourself in a position where you might have to pull your gun if you can prevent it. If you're in that position and you fear for your life, use your gun. If you pull your gun on somebody close in, you have to use it. If you don't or hesitate, your gun will get used on you.

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No, my instincts wouldn't been to grab my gun. It would have been to drop my **** and beat him until he was limp. And I would have gladly accepted my jail time and fine

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In all honesty, I hope you have some more restraint than this in real life. If a troll, go elsewhere. I pray you never have to make that choice in real life.

I'm also guessing you don't have a wife, kids, or close family that rely on you for anything. Or else "gladly accepting your jail time" means some serious consequences for them. But I know it's easy to talk like that on the internet so I'll let it go.

I would be furious too, but if you are packing, you have to keep it together.

Under what statute?

If the events of the story are accurate, how can you not justify return force when assault and battery comes into play? Any sane person would come to the conclusion that a person following you in (daylight ot dark is irrelevant here) in a public place and yelling obsceneties at you and then assaults you has exceeded the threshold that requires resposne of force.

We later found out that the perp was armed with a knife. The person in the story is absolutely lucky that the BG did not draw the k,ife when he attacked the CCW carrier from behind.

I get that one cannot draw at every slight in every situation, but sometimes I think that some of you think it is only acceptable to draw once rounds are heading your way or when blood has been drawn, and then only when done so with a deadly weapon.

A CCW is not a strategic weapon like an ICBM or a nuke and does,not,need to be held in the same regard.

No, you're right, it's not an ICBM. It's a very personal defensive weapon. And I will choose my own life over an attackers any day. But it is something that shouldn't be taken lightly. I will take every chance to de-escalate the situation - and I don't think that makes me a coward or scared to use my weapon.

It is a powerful object and one that must be treated with respect and handled with responsibility. Being pushed from behind, and turning around and popping the guy won't help your case for being reasonable and I'd dare say escalates the situation. That's the kind of thing that hurts the cause. Turning around and beating the snot out of the guy also will get you in trouble. And I guarantee you that being a CHL holder will be a VERY bold talking point in the news as your story goes viral in either situation.

Knowledge of the knife wasn't there and wouldn't have been a credible defense. As a man of reason and intellect, you have to keep your wits about you in a situation like this. Keep a cool and calm head - and go home to your family at the end of the night alive and without legal charges hanging over your head.

A crazy (probably drugged out) bum pushing me is likely going to get me riled up and ready to pull my gun - but I will face him with my hand by my hip backing away telling him not to come near me first. Keep your basket between you and him as you return to the store to call the police and this fees slate the situation. CHL is my last line of defense.

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Under what statute?

If the events of the story are accurate, how can you not justify return force when assault and battery comes into play? Any sane person would come to the conclusion that a person following you in (daylight ot dark is irrelevant here) in a public place and yelling obsceneties at you and then assaults you has exceeded the threshold that requires resposne of force.

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Force, yes. Deadly force, no.

A crazy guy attacking me from behind is a guy that, as far as I know, is attempting to do more than just push me from behind.

Beating his ass down or pulling my weapon on him are both acceptable means of defense, and anybody that thinks it needs to escalate further is just silly to me. You have absolutely zero knowledge about what the guys intentions or capabilities are - anybody brave enough to attack you from behind in a public place is likely, and by any reasonable standard, capable of doing a lot more.

Had the perp done more than just push the guy in the story, i guarantee you that moat on this thread would be lambasting him for not being situationally aware and allowing the bad guy to get as close as he did and not being much more defensive and assertive at the onset.

You are right, i want to go home at the end of the day like everybody else. In that situation, i am not going to allow the bad guy to be the aggressor, and I would damn sure not find any fault if the CCW had pulled his weapon earlier because that is the entire purpose of carrying.

I don't want to sound critical, but the police should have been called when he entered the store after the guy cursed at him. It is obvious (to me, anyway) that this guy is asking for trouble -- he's going to harass someone again, no doubt. Get the store manager, tell him about it and have them call the police. If they won't, call them yourself and then never go to that store again. If they don't care about idiots in their parking lot, then I want no part of doing business with them.

If you get into a beef with someone over, say, a parking place, you don't need to call police then. So I'm not suggesting you call 911 ever time some ******* curses at you. But this situation is different -- as stated, he is going to harass someone else, perhaps a woman or someone who can't defend themselves well. I don't want that, and most police officers I know have told me, "you're better off calling us rather than handling it yourself."

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Lol I'm no troll and I have a family.

I'm sure going back in the store was the best option. But all reason and saneness would have left me the moment he pushed me through the doors.

I avoid conflict as best as I can, and I am as kind and respectful to people as a man can be. Those that don't respect orhers are worthless scum in my book.

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going to jail over someone who "disrespects you" sounds like a solid plan. I'm not telling you what to do, but good luck in jail - sounds like you might end up there at some point.

Is it just me or are most of the concealed cw threads folks second guessing what they would have done and what the person should have done? Nothing wrong with concealed carry, but you all sound like dorks. It's like all the dorks who think they're going to get bit by a snake just because you go camping.

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The second after he threw me into the doors I would have been ending his worthless life.

Dude is more patient than me.

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Hope you enjoy jail for murder.

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Is it just me or are most of the concealed cw threads folks second guessing what they would have done and what the person should have done? Nothing wrong with concealed carry, but you all sound like dorks. It's like all the dorks who think they're going to get bit by a snake just because you go camping.

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What else are we supposed to do on a discussion board? It seems like the place to ask questions, make suggestions, and learn something.

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Is it just me or are most of the concealed cw threads folks second guessing what they would have done and what the person should have done? Nothing wrong with concealed carry, but you all sound like dorks. It's like all the dorks who think they're going to get bit by a snake just because you go camping.

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What an awful outlook. It's worth it to go through these mental exercises. That being said, it's a discussion board, buddy. Would you rather have the OP followed by "T&P", "That sucks", and "Glad he's okay"? How is that stimulating or worth your time?

I don't even know what thread you are talking about, but it's clear you won't always get bitten by a snake when camping. If you encounter one in very close proximity while camping, isn't it good to have at least SOME knowledge of the snake, etc? To have thought about it and been on the lookout for it ahead of time?

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Is it just me or are most of the concealed cw threads folks second guessing what they would have done and what the person should have done? Nothing wrong with concealed carry, but you all sound like dorks. It's like all the dorks who think they're going to get bit by a snake just because you go camping.

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One of the dumber things I've read here in a while. For multiple reasons.