seems insane to doom 22 to death from both a human and military perspective. It reeks of a modern day bonsai attack.Quote:
The BTR-50 is a 15-ton, diesel-fueled armored tractor with two crew and space for up to 20 passengers. It usually packs a heavy machine gun.
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2wealfth Man said:seems insane to doom 22 to death from both a human and military perspectiveQuote:
The BTR-50 is a 15-ton, diesel-fueled armored tractor with two crew and space for up to 20 passengers. It usually packs a heavy machine gun.
They don't have a choice. They simply dont' have the equipment.
sounds like a fun time to be had with the 79th Air Assault Brigade; maybe the Orcs can send them Christmas CardsQuote:
Six months later, the Russians have lost in battle at least four BTR-50s that the analysts at Oryx can confirm. One got hit by a Javelin anti-tank missile while attacking Ukrainian lines west of Novomykhailivka on or right before Sunday.
The Ukrainian army's 79th Air Assault Brigade holds the line in that areaand that brigade's anti-tank missileers are notoriously bloodthirsty. It's unsafe to send a modern T-72 tank with hundreds of millimeters of armor against the 79th Air Assault Brigade; it's suicide to send a BTR-50 with just 10 millimeters of armor.
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Russian army using TOS-1 and MLRS GRAD to shell Bilohorivka in Luhansk region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/21-may-russian-army-using-tos1-and-mlrs-grad-to-shell-bilohorivka#google_vignette
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Due to clarified information, on the night of May 19, the Ukrainian Defense Forces destroyed the Russian Project 22800 missile ship "Cyclone" in Sevastopol, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine reports
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/21-may-due-to-clarified-information-on-the-night-of-may-19
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Russia launched exercise with tactical nuclear weapons. Iskander, Tu-22M3 bombers and Mig-31K with Kinzhal missiles will be equipped with "special purpose warheads"
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/21-may-russia-launched-exercise-with-tactical-nuclear-weapons
When orcs start using horse-drawn carriages, then we will know the real war ready state.
A loss that will impact Russia's ability to execute short-range Kalibr missile strikes from the seas around Crimea. Practically brand new, this corvette launched last August.Waffledynamics said:Quote:
Due to clarified information, on the night of May 19, the Ukrainian Defense Forces destroyed the Russian Project 22800 missile ship "Cyclone" in Sevastopol, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine reports
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/21-may-due-to-clarified-information-on-the-night-of-may-19
Separately, differing reports:
"stabilize" ... This a parody account? 👀https://t.co/gFyRYIAqkk
— Boris (@boris2top10) May 21, 2024
Regarding the second Tweet, I've seen it said that Ukraine is focusing more on trying to hold the South side of Vovchansk while they bleed Russia in the Northern part.
I saw this description in an interesting OSINT group I'm in:
I saw this description in an interesting OSINT group I'm in:
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Vovchansk is a sprawling city that nearly agglomerates with two other towns to its west: Hatyshche and Synelnekove. The northern half of Vovchansk is quite cleanly split from the southern half by a small river and some fields. Hatyshche is to the west, and it is surrounded by a forest that would give cover to the attackers practically all the way into northern Vovchansk. It is this forest that is causing issues, because it extends almost uninterrupted all the way to Synelnykove and southwestern Vovchansk. This essentially gives all those Russian infantry a great place hide and make positions so they can conduct infiltration assaults
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Since the flank is "exposed" nearly all the way down the western side, you need to cover all of those positions. Not retreating across the river rather than battling it out for the northern halfespecially as there is just 1 bridge and you don't want to get cut off from itmay be suboptimal. Retreating behind the river allows you to observe it and forces the attacker to expose himself. It also then leaves the option of hunting them in the urban environment which, although not ideal, is better than engaging in close quarters combat where the exchange ratio is usually 1:1 which the AFU cannot afford
And we already know Russia has issues getting a mass of troops across rivers
Budapest dissents on 14th round of sanctions:
FPRI podcast on Russia's new offensive is very good.Quote:
Budapest's position might contradict most of the EU, but it is in line with most of the world, Szijjarto added.
The Hungarian diplomat took issue with "crazy statements"made by leading EU politicians about sending NATO troops to Ukraine, noting that such talk is becoming "increasingly dangerous" and raises the risk of a direct conflict between NATO and Russia.
"There is no way the Hungarian military will take part in this, there is no way Hungarian territory will host such actions, there is no way a single eurocent of the Hungarian taxpayers will be allocated for it," Szijjarto vowed.
Hungary joined NATO in 1999 and the EU in 2003. However, Prime Minister Viktor Orban has dissented from the EU and US policy of arming Ukraine, urging instead a negotiated end to the conflict with Russia. Hungary has not sent any weapons to Kiev, nor allowed its territory to be used for their delivery, despite tremendous pressure from Brussels and Washington.
This is no time to stand idly by.
— Benjamin Rubinstein (@BenFRubinstein) May 22, 2024
In effect, Russian forces launched three attacks on the area of military warehouses in the city of Shostka, Sumy region. There was also an attack on energy facilities in Konotop, one of the largest railway junctions in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/cv1ceLc3e5
Russian MoD claimed they recaptured Klischiyivka, South of Bakhmut. DeepState's map shows part of the village is a gray zone at most After their claims of taking Bilohorivka and now this, it would be extra wise to take Russia's capture claims with a bucket of salt and seek corroboration.
Russia desperately needs the appearance of momentum after their latest offensive has stalled. I guess they need to fake it till they make it.
I didn't read the article and just going off this quote, but I have a hard time believing this. If military objectives aren't first when your country is under attack, your political goals are irrelevant. There will be no Ukraine to lead politically if they are not successful militarily. 95% of their population is in support of defending their country and winning this war. There is nothing more important politically, than defending your country and winning the war.nortex97 said:
Economist report panned by RT: Zelensky yelling at generals.Quote:
Denis Yaroslavsky, a local commander who made national headlines for complaining that fortifications that were supposed to prevent Russian advances did not really exist, told The Economist that Zelensky "is being kept in a warm bath" that is, being told comforting lies by his aides.
The Economist's anonymous government source said the president has been clashing with Ukrainian generals after allegedly sensing that he was not getting the whole truth about the frontline situation.
Zelensky's strained relations with the military leadership, which reportedly stems from him putting his political goals ahead of military objectives, has previously been covered by Ukrainian and international media.
Russia is waging a shadow war on the West: sabotage, EW, spying and misinformation--some of which makes its way to posts here. All intended to undermine support for Ukraine.
"Because many Russian intelligence operatives already are sanctioned, Western officials and experts say the Kremlin is shifting tactics, hiring others for hybrid operations, nonmilitary strategies including cyberattacks, election interference and disinformation, and attacks on foes of President Vladimir Putin. With crucial elections in the West, officials say they believe the tempo of such activities will only increase, and some want tougher countermeasures."
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"Because many Russian intelligence operatives already are sanctioned, Western officials and experts say the Kremlin is shifting tactics, hiring others for hybrid operations, nonmilitary strategies including cyberattacks, election interference and disinformation, and attacks on foes of President Vladimir Putin. With crucial elections in the West, officials say they believe the tempo of such activities will only increase, and some want tougher countermeasures."
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Touchless said:I didn't read the article and just going off this quote, but I have a hard time believing this. If military objectives aren't first when your country is under attack, your political goals are irrelevant. There will be no Ukraine to lead politically if they are not successful militarily. 95% of their population is in support of defending their country and winning this war. There is nothing more important politically, than defending your country and winning the war.nortex97 said:
Economist report panned by RT: Zelensky yelling at generals.Quote:
Denis Yaroslavsky, a local commander who made national headlines for complaining that fortifications that were supposed to prevent Russian advances did not really exist, told The Economist that Zelensky "is being kept in a warm bath" that is, being told comforting lies by his aides.
The Economist's anonymous government source said the president has been clashing with Ukrainian generals after allegedly sensing that he was not getting the whole truth about the frontline situation.
Zelensky's strained relations with the military leadership, which reportedly stems from him putting his political goals ahead of military objectives, has previously been covered by Ukrainian and international media.
Well, it's from RT, so we should expect nothing less.
More to the point, I can't think of a modern conflict during which the political and military leadership didn't occasionally clash. Bush and Cheney ended up rebuking Schwarzkopf, for example, after disagreement over when to conclude Desert Storm. It happens not infrequently and generally means elected officials are exercising their authority to provide direction to the military which is, after all, supposed to be conducting operations to achieve the war's political objectives.Touchless said:I didn't read the article and just going off this quote, but I have a hard time believing this. If military objectives aren't first when your country is under attack, your political goals are irrelevant. There will be no Ukraine to lead politically if they are not successful militarily. 95% of their population is in support of defending their country and winning this war. There is nothing more important politically, than defending your country and winning the war.nortex97 said:
Economist report panned by RT: Zelensky yelling at generals.Quote:
Denis Yaroslavsky, a local commander who made national headlines for complaining that fortifications that were supposed to prevent Russian advances did not really exist, told The Economist that Zelensky "is being kept in a warm bath" that is, being told comforting lies by his aides.
The Economist's anonymous government source said the president has been clashing with Ukrainian generals after allegedly sensing that he was not getting the whole truth about the frontline situation.
Zelensky's strained relations with the military leadership, which reportedly stems from him putting his political goals ahead of military objectives, has previously been covered by Ukrainian and international media.
You can't even begin to imagine the amount of dysfunction that has existed between political and military leaders over the years. Haig and the British Leadership in WWI were almost always at odds.74OA said:More to the point, I can't think of a modern conflict during which the political and military leadership didn't occasionally clash. Bush and Cheney ended up rebuking Schwarzkopf, for example, after disagreement over when to conclude Desert Storm. It happens not infrequently and generally means elected officials are exercising their authority to provide direction to the military which is, after all, supposed to be conducting operations to achieve the war's political objectives.Touchless said:I didn't read the article and just going off this quote, but I have a hard time believing this. If military objectives aren't first when your country is under attack, your political goals are irrelevant. There will be no Ukraine to lead politically if they are not successful militarily. 95% of their population is in support of defending their country and winning this war. There is nothing more important politically, than defending your country and winning the war.nortex97 said:
Economist report panned by RT: Zelensky yelling at generals.Quote:
Denis Yaroslavsky, a local commander who made national headlines for complaining that fortifications that were supposed to prevent Russian advances did not really exist, told The Economist that Zelensky "is being kept in a warm bath" that is, being told comforting lies by his aides.
The Economist's anonymous government source said the president has been clashing with Ukrainian generals after allegedly sensing that he was not getting the whole truth about the frontline situation.
Zelensky's strained relations with the military leadership, which reportedly stems from him putting his political goals ahead of military objectives, has previously been covered by Ukrainian and international media.
War is just politics by other means.Touchless said:I didn't read the article and just going off this quote, but I have a hard time believing this. If military objectives aren't first when your country is under attack, your political goals are irrelevant. There will be no Ukraine to lead politically if they are not successful militarily. 95% of their population is in support of defending their country and winning this war. There is nothing more important politically, than defending your country and winning the war.nortex97 said:
Economist report panned by RT: Zelensky yelling at generals.Quote:
Denis Yaroslavsky, a local commander who made national headlines for complaining that fortifications that were supposed to prevent Russian advances did not really exist, told The Economist that Zelensky "is being kept in a warm bath" that is, being told comforting lies by his aides.
The Economist's anonymous government source said the president has been clashing with Ukrainian generals after allegedly sensing that he was not getting the whole truth about the frontline situation.
Zelensky's strained relations with the military leadership, which reportedly stems from him putting his political goals ahead of military objectives, has previously been covered by Ukrainian and international media.
And French (the Brit general) and the French (country/Joffre) leadership. Anyway, without going off topic it's funny how some changes in leadership are panned in various outlets, such as Shoigu on the Russian side vs. the Ukrainian 'shake up' as directed by Zelensky.2wealfth Man said:You can't even begin to imagine the amount of dysfunction that has existed between political and military leaders over the years. Haig and the British Leadership in WWI were almost always at odds.74OA said:More to the point, I can't think of a modern conflict during which the political and military leadership didn't occasionally clash. Bush and Cheney ended up rebuking Schwarzkopf, for example, after disagreement over when to conclude Desert Storm. It happens not infrequently and generally means elected officials are exercising their authority to provide direction to the military which is, after all, supposed to be conducting operations to achieve the war's political objectives.Touchless said:I didn't read the article and just going off this quote, but I have a hard time believing this. If military objectives aren't first when your country is under attack, your political goals are irrelevant. There will be no Ukraine to lead politically if they are not successful militarily. 95% of their population is in support of defending their country and winning this war. There is nothing more important politically, than defending your country and winning the war.nortex97 said:
Economist report panned by RT: Zelensky yelling at generals.Quote:
Denis Yaroslavsky, a local commander who made national headlines for complaining that fortifications that were supposed to prevent Russian advances did not really exist, told The Economist that Zelensky "is being kept in a warm bath" that is, being told comforting lies by his aides.
The Economist's anonymous government source said the president has been clashing with Ukrainian generals after allegedly sensing that he was not getting the whole truth about the frontline situation.
Zelensky's strained relations with the military leadership, which reportedly stems from him putting his political goals ahead of military objectives, has previously been covered by Ukrainian and international media.
Ongoing prosecution/arrests of former commanders/military leadership on both sides too, even this week. These are fundamentally corrupt countries, alike. Greed is a basic human trait but I am still amazed so many seem to think it's a 'good' idea to try to steal in such a setting (seems suicidal in Russia).
Separately, odd time of day for such an alert:
Danger of a ballistic rocket attack in Kyiv and some other regions, another air raid alert. pic.twitter.com/J0LPWzEzGl
— Kyrylo Loukerenko (@K_Loukerenko) May 22, 2024
This is my last post on this thread. It was nice conversing with people who enjoy martial matters.
In addition to its suicide configuration and carrying anti-aircraft missiles, Ukraine's Sea Baby naval drone has now been equipped with artillery rockets, as well.
INNOVATION
INNOVATION
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/22-may-russian-aviation-launching-glide-bombs-at-the-borderQuote:
Russian aviation launching glide bombs at the border districts of Kharkiv region non-stop
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/22-may-missile-strike-reported-at-hladkivka-at-occupied-partQuote:
Missile strike reported at Hladkivka at occupied part of Kherson region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/22-may-missile-strike-reported-in-mospyne-at-occupied-partQuote:
Missile strike reported in Mospyne at occupied part of Donetsk region
Stockholm announced a three-year package of support for Ukraine worth roughly Euro 6.5 billion on Wednesday, plus other notes from the conflict.
UPDATES
UPDATES
74OA said:
In addition to its suicide configuration and carrying anti-aircraft missiles, Ukraine's Sea Baby naval drone has now been equipped with artillery rockets, as well.
INNOVATION
USS Barb did something similar in WWII. Before her last patrol, she put in for maintenance. Her captain, who ultimately earned the MOH for the patrol they were returning from, requested to have 5in rocket launchers put on the sub, which was a first for US submarines, and used them to hit targets on the Japanese home islands.
Corruption in Ukraine is a direct result of lessons it learned during a half century of servitude under its Russian USSR masters. The difference today is Russia has doubled down on corruption except when cited to punish disloyalty or failure, while Ukraine is making steady progress reforming itself. It still has a long road ahead, though.
PROGRESS
PROGRESS
ABATTBQ11 said:74OA said:
In addition to its suicide configuration and carrying anti-aircraft missiles, Ukraine's Sea Baby naval drone has now been equipped with artillery rockets, as well.
INNOVATION
USS Barb did something similar in WWII. Before her last patrol, she put in for maintenance. Her captain, who ultimately earned the MOH for the patrol they were returning from, requested to have 5in rocket launchers put on the sub, which was a first for US submarines, and used them to hit targets on the Japanese home islands.
Yeah, Fluckey was bit of a badass. He even went on to run an orphanage in retirement.