Colin K and High School Football team protest

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JABQ04
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Kids going to be kids
Satellite of Love
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So when is Colin going to offer up solutions to what is protesting?
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So when is Colin going to offer up solutions to what is protesting?
he isn't. There are 7 days in the week, he "protests" for 3 minutes and then sits on the bench. Mum the rest of the week.
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So when is Colin going to offer up solutions to what is protesting?


That's my problem with this movement.

So you want to address a problem with let enforcement. Why doesn't he work with law enforcement and inner city schools to create a community? Get involved with boys clubs? Educate our youth AND officers. Maybe make some positive change?
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So when is Colin going to offer up solutions to what is protesting?


That's my problem with this movement.

So you want to address a problem with let enforcement. Why doesn't he work with law enforcement and inner city schools to create a community? Get involved with boys clubs? Educate our youth AND officers. Maybe make some positive change?
that isn't his objective. He wants to take selfless sign autographs with fans. To remain relevant.
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Speech may be free but not without consequences.
This

Folks still have the right to be stupid
GMM
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Didn't he donate a million dollars to charity?
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Didn't he donate a million dollars to charity?


Ok. That still doesn't help the issue. Writing a check isn't the same thing as promoting positive change.
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Didn't he donate a million dollars to charity?


So?

He isn't doing anything to make a real change.
toucan82
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ummm, he's kneeling during the national anthem. how much more can he do?
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Every single last one of them should be suspended.


For what? On what grounds?
Students have less protections under the first amendment while on school grounds/participating in school sanctioned activities.

Prominant SCOTUS cases on the issus:

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  • The extent to which the student speech in question poses a substantial threat of disruption (Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. Dist.).
  • Whether the speech is offensive to prevailing community standards (Bethel School District v. Fraser).
  • Whether the speech, if allowed as part of a school activity or function, would be contrary to the basic educational mission of the school (Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier).
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    No of those would apply to these kids. If anything they support their right to do this.


    How about that bolded part?
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    So when is Colin going to offer up solutions to what is protesting?


    That's my problem with this movement.

    So you want to address a problem with let enforcement. Why doesn't he work with law enforcement and inner city schools to create a community? Get involved with boys clubs? Educate our youth AND officers. Maybe make some positive change?


    Cuz that wouldn't sell extra jerseys
    nai06
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    Students have less protections under the first amendment while on school grounds/participating in school sanctioned activities.

    Prominant SCOTUS cases on the issus:

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  • The extent to which the student speech in question poses a substantial threat of disruption (Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch. Dist.).
  • Whether the speech is offensive to prevailing community standards (Bethel School District v. Fraser).
  • Whether the speech, if allowed as part of a school activity or function, would be contrary to the basic educational mission of the school (Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier).
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    No of those would apply to these kids. If anything they support their right to do this.


    How about that bolded part?
    So following the link to wikipedia, that specific case dealt with a student who gave a speech during an assembly that was filled with sexual innuendos. Here is the speech the student gave:

    I know a man who is firm he's firm in his pants, he's firm in his shirt, his character is firm but most of all, his belief in you the students of Bethel, is firm. Jeff Kuhlman is a man who takes his point and pounds it in. If necessary, he'll take an issue and nail it to the wall. He doesn't attack things in spurts he drives hard, pushing and pushing until finally he succeeds. Jeff is a man who will go to the very end even the climax, for each and every one of you. So please vote for Jeff Kuhlman, as he'll never come [long pause] between us and the best our school can be. He is firm enough to give it everything.

    Basically they ruled that while free speech exists in schools, administrators can limit speech the deem to be sexually explicit/vulgar. Even if you apply a community standards approach, I think you could make a reasonable case that many people in the community support these students.

    The first case listed actually supports silent protest speech in school and the third case deals with the pedagogical mission of schools which does not apply to athletics.
    Satellite of Love
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    What is sad is there is no self relecting in the mirror with this movement. It's 100% everyone else's fault. Certain parts of the lower end of the socioeconomic class need to change what is valued in life.
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    Didn't he donate a million dollars to charity?


    So?

    He isn't doing anything to make a real change.

    You mean like *****ing on internet forums?
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