Abbott responds to the report of A&M possibly implementing Biden's agenda

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I agree with this. Old fashioned pissing contest about to happen.
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My school is so lost
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Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?
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aggiebrad94 said:

Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?


That's what I can't find but you would think A&M would send something instead of the governor issuing a warning.
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This puts all Texas universities between a rock and a hard place then.

If they accept federal funds (and they all absolutely have to in order to keep the doors open), they have to abide by Title IX (even though what the Biden administration has just done is completely unconstitutional).

Surely Gov. Abbott knows this. Is this part of his plan, to force this whole thing to the SCOTUS?

Will be very interesting to watch how this plays out.
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Smells a lot like the "defenses" every time the Pope spouts marxism again. The trajectory of the last 20 years paints a different picture than "muh outrage." Just look at what is happening on campus, don't fall for the deflections that continue to allow it to happen.
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aggiebrad94 said:

Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?
Do a TPIA request and look at their correspondence.
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TRM said:

aggiebrad94 said:

Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?
Do a TPIA request and look at their correspondence.
I saw the quote where he said it was "unfortunate" that they didnt include transgender policies in the legislation "which is the most controversial" but it could have been interpreted as him wanting clarification on the issue rather than supporting transgender competition.
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I'll also say this, but if you say anything good or bad about Sharp as chancellor, one thing you have to commend him on is he knows where the bread is buttered, and it's by in large part VERY conservative donors and former students. See how he handled the Sully statue situation. I would be very surprised if we ever had to worry about transgender athletes competing at A&M unless it is forced on every university in this country. But I think everyone is doing what they can to prevent that.
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Question, are student loans in jeopardy if they don't follow the new federal guidelines? Yes, I know many here will say good to that since you don't believe in the loans anyway., but that not the point here.
So does that put students in Texas in a squeeze between Austin and DC? Universities are already with both relying on state and federal funding.
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45-70Ag said:

aggiebrad94 said:

Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?


That's what I can't find but you would think A&M would send something instead of the governor issuing a warning.
You'd think that if Texas Scorecard was a credible news source, they'd have a quote or a link to what they are claiming.

Kinda like when the Administrative Assistant was busted for kiddie porn, and TS was going on and on about how an "ADMINISTRATOR" from Texas A&M was the offending party.

Abbott has taken cues from bull**** news sources before. This is not new.
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TexasAggie73 said:

Question, are student loans in jeopardy if they don't follow the new federal guidelines? Yes, I know many here will say good to that since you don't believe in the loans anyway., but that not the point here.
So does that put students in Texas in a squeeze between Austin and DC? Universities are already with both relying on state and federal funding.
Federal student loans are a huge problem. Our schools would be far healthier (more concentrated & serious) if all student loans were privately procured & dischargeable through bankruptcy.

Leaders make decisive decisions based off of long term vision. If a "leader" merely obediently follows incentives, they're just a manager.
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Battalion article: https://thebatt.com/news/new-title-ix-regs/

Says A&M has put implementation on hold pending court decisions. But the reason I think people distrust the direction things are headed is the quote from Rick Olshak who serves as the director of Title IX and Student Conduct Compliance for the A&M University System and is a member of the advisory board for the Association of Title IX Administrators:
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Olshak said the major change he sees is a return to things he believes shouldn't have been changed.

"We're talking about the definition of sex-based harassment, which, forever, we had agreed that Title IX matches the Title VII employment law," Olshak said. "Then, under the Trump administration, they imposed sex-based discrimination."

When the proposed regulations were released in 2022, Olshak said he was shocked to see that a major part of them had not been included in the 2024 regulations.

"The Biden administration left out the most polarizing piece of the regulations, which is transgender participation in athletics," Olshak said. "So, we were very disappointed when we heard the rumor that this part would be left out. But we also understood that it is April before the election."

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"Until the Trump administration, Title IX was never political, as Democrats and Republicans alike all agreed on the regulations," Olshak said. "Now, it's just gotten sucked into the culture war, and I want this to stop being toxic and political."

Olshak said he would love to see everyone agree on how others should be treated equitably, regardless of gender, sexual preference, status or identity. "We don't live in that world right now," Olshak said.
That guy clearly has a left-leaning agenda. And I think it should be fair game for discussion on F16, along with the Governor's statements and the topic as a whole.
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Playing goalie for the communists in charge at what was once a great university. Who would have ever thought that A&M would be more liberal that Texas. Just wow.
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Get Off My Lawn said:


Federal student loans are a huge problem. Our schools would be far healthier (more concentrated & serious) if all student loans were privately procured & dischargeable through bankruptcy.

Leaders make decisive decisions based off of long term vision. If a "leader" merely obediently follows incentives, they're just a manager.
Hussein seized control of student loans for a good reason. They're a carrot and stick. Look at how Biden has used them to illegally buy votes. The government wants to control everything.
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Ironic that we have a t-sip governor with more common sense than the administration.
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P.H. Dexippus said:


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"Until the Trump administration, Title IX was never political, as Democrats and Republicans alike all agreed on the regulations," Olshak said. "Now, it's just gotten sucked into the culture war, and I want this to stop being toxic and political."

Olshak said he would love to see everyone agree on how others should be treated equitably, regardless of gender, sexual preference, status or identity. "We don't live in that world right now," Olshak said.

Yes, it is the republicans' fault for making this a political issue.

Sure, Jan.
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45-70Ag said:

aggiebrad94 said:

Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?


That's what I can't find but you would think A&M would send something instead of the governor issuing a warning.


Or A&M would confirm they aren't going to allow biological males to play in women sports

But they haven't done that. If you hear nothing from a large institution then they are doing what you don't want them to do.

In my experience with A&M they do this often. For this course of spineless action
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P.H. Dexippus said:

Battalion article: https://thebatt.com/news/new-title-ix-regs/

Says A&M has put implementation on hold pending court decisions. But the reason I think people distrust the direction things are headed is the quote from Rick Olshak who serves as the director of Title IX and Student Conduct Compliance for the A&M University System and is a member of the advisory board for the Association of Title IX Administrators:
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Olshak said the major change he sees is a return to things he believes shouldn't have been changed.

"We're talking about the definition of sex-based harassment, which, forever, we had agreed that Title IX matches the Title VII employment law," Olshak said. "Then, under the Trump administration, they imposed sex-based discrimination."

When the proposed regulations were released in 2022, Olshak said he was shocked to see that a major part of them had not been included in the 2024 regulations.

"The Biden administration left out the most polarizing piece of the regulations, which is transgender participation in athletics," Olshak said. "So, we were very disappointed when we heard the rumor that this part would be left out. But we also understood that it is April before the election."

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"Until the Trump administration, Title IX was never political, as Democrats and Republicans alike all agreed on the regulations," Olshak said. "Now, it's just gotten sucked into the culture war, and I want this to stop being toxic and political."

Olshak said he would love to see everyone agree on how others should be treated equitably, regardless of gender, sexual preference, status or identity. "We don't live in that world right now," Olshak said.
That guy clearly has a left-leaning agenda. And I think it should be fair game for discussion on F16, along with the Governor's statements and the topic as a whole.



Fire this guy yesterday
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Words I thought I'd never hear "Woke Texas A&M".
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Tramp96 said:

This puts all Texas universities between a rock and a hard place then.

If they accept federal funds (and they all absolutely have to in order to keep the doors open), they have to abide by Title IX (even though what the Biden administration has just done is completely unconstitutional).

Surely Gov. Abbott knows this. Is this part of his plan, to force this whole thing to the SCOTUS?

Will be very interesting to watch how this plays out.


The best possible thing for any institution looking to maintain a modicum of sanity would be to get off federal money. That'll be painful short term but we need to have as little financial dependence on the clowns in DC as possible
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Who do you think provides most of the funding that our university does?
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Fightin_Aggie said:

45-70Ag said:

aggiebrad94 said:

Is there a quote to the Title IX director wanting to implement trans into sports?


That's what I can't find but you would think A&M would send something instead of the governor issuing a warning.


Or A&M would confirm they aren't going to allow biological males to play in women sports

But they haven't done that. If you hear nothing from a large institution then they are doing what you don't want them to do.

In my experience with A&M they do this often. For this course of spineless action
Correct. A simple 11 word statement should be issued. It isn't difficult, does not require advanced degrees, and only takes a few moments.
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Get Off My Lawn said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Question, are student loans in jeopardy if they don't follow the new federal guidelines? Yes, I know many here will say good to that since you don't believe in the loans anyway., but that not the point here.
So does that put students in Texas in a squeeze between Austin and DC? Universities are already with both relying on state and federal funding.
Federal student loans are a huge problem. Our schools would be far healthier (more concentrated & serious) if all student loans were privately procured & dischargeable through bankruptcy.

Leaders make decisive decisions based off of long term vision. If a "leader" merely obediently follows incentives, they're just a manager.



When I was in school in the 80s, AFS loved to talk about how good our graduates were by the statistic of how well we did paying off student loans. I stopped reading the AFS propaganda a long time ago. Do they still do that?

(I think I know the answer)
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Burdizzo said:

Get Off My Lawn said:

TexasAggie73 said:

Question, are student loans in jeopardy if they don't follow the new federal guidelines? Yes, I know many here will say good to that since you don't believe in the loans anyway., but that not the point here.
So does that put students in Texas in a squeeze between Austin and DC? Universities are already with both relying on state and federal funding.
Federal student loans are a huge problem. Our schools would be far healthier (more concentrated & serious) if all student loans were privately procured & dischargeable through bankruptcy.

Leaders make decisive decisions based off of long term vision. If a "leader" merely obediently follows incentives, they're just a manager.



When I was in school in the 80s, AFS loved to talk about how good our graduates were by the statistic of how well we did paying off student loans. I stopped reading the AFS propaganda a long time ago. Do they still do that?

(I think I know the answer)
I graduated in '78 and I seem to remember reading the stats along those lines. I paid back every dime I owed, but a few friends of mine (none were Aggies) thought I was crazy for doing so. My response was that I borrowed the money, obligated myself to pay it back, and I will. On top of that, the ONLY lender I could find was a small credit union tied to a company my dad worked for. He would have beat my ass if I didn't repay the loan. Without that credit union it is unlikely I would have been able to attend.
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https://thebatt.com/news/new-title-ix-regs/

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"The Biden administration left out the most polarizing piece of the regulations, which is transgender participation in athletics," Olshak said. "So, we were very disappointed when we heard the rumor that this part would be left out. But we also understood that it is April before the election."

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Had no idea Texas Scorecard was "bad".
Come on mods, stop trying to silence because you don't agree.

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Universities Getting the Most Money from the Federal Government
quote from the article
  • Many public universities in the United States rely heavily on private funding sources such as tuition payments and gains on endowment assets. Still, the federal government allocates billions of dollars each year to thousands of universities in the form of research and development grants and contracts, as well as financial aid to undergraduates through the Federal Pell Grant Program.
The Feds have in effect seized control of our college/university system much to the detriment of our nation.
It is interesting the list of the top 20 schools in federal government bribes funding. I seem to notice a complete lack of schools in the south or schools with conservative values.
Number one on the list
1. Johns Hopkins University
> Total federal funds: $2.0 billion
> Annual R&D expenditure: $2.3 billion
> 2015 enrollment: 22,686
> 2016 endowment: $3.4 billion

-$2 billion/-23000 = $87000/ student federal funds
~ $3.4 billion/~23,000 students = $100,000/student

ETA: article was updated on 3/19/2020
The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, the public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
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Abbott needs to fire Sharp ASAP
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Related to my post above
20. Yale University
> Total federal funds: $480.2 million
> Annual R&D expenditure: $803.0 million
> 2015 enrollment: 12,385
> 2016 endowment: $25.4 billion

-$480 million/~12,000 = $40,000/ student federal funds
~$25 billion/12000 = ~$2.1 MILLION/student

Now that is insane

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The budget should be balanced, the treasury should be refilled, the public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
-- Cicero, 55 B.C.
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There's talk of monitoring women's menstrual cycles. Again. Totally normal.
Lolwut?
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More impartiality from the the Director of Title IX and Student Conduct Compliance for the A&M University System...

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While the wait for the regulations is over, their release only throws gasoline on the raging dumpster fire that has become the Great American Culture War. Now as we await a flurry of legal challenges (including the pending and not inconsequential SCOTUS ruling on chevron, which is likely to survive but be narrowed), the "sky is falling" crowd was quick to provide red meat to the large swath of ignorant people who believe that something radical was released by ED this week. Here's a quick sampling of what has caught my eye in the past two days:

- While there were plenty of Republicans who were in a hurry to stay stupid things (honorable mentions to Tommy Tuberville and Marsha Blackburn), my "favorite" quote of the past couple of days came from Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), and chair of the House Education and the Workforce Committee, said "This final rule dumps kerosene on the already raging fire that is Democrats' contemptuous culture war that aims to radically redefine sex and gender."

Seriously? She said that? With a straight face? Yes, she did, proving once again that irony is dead and that hypocrisy is the primary value of the election-denying MAGA crowd. This comment is coming from the same set of people who opposed LGBTQ+ rights in principle (the related Venn diagram is likely two overlapping circles) and the same people who seek to deny women of being able to make their own medical decisions even where their lives are on the line. I have no kind words for this level of idiocy and lack of empathy.
https://olshak.com/blog-1/f/new-title-ix-regulations-released-my-last-two-days-are-a-blur

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2024 will offer perhaps the most consequential presidential election in our nation's history on November 5th, and certainly the most consequential in my lifetime. I do not believe it to be hyperbole when I say that our representative republican form of democracy is at stake when Americans go to the polls this fall. Of course, I have some pretty strong opinions on this topic and will be sharing them periodically as the electoral process unfolds. Spoiler Alert: I am horrified at the de-evolution of the Republican Party and what it has become over time, dating all the way back to 1964. I am even more horrified at what Trump and the MAGA movement have normalized in this nation; the vitriol, hate, misogyny, racism, treating women like property, and overall disregard of the welfare of the overall population while serving the interests of corporations and the wealthy. In my view, reelecting President Biden this fall is our only short-term hope of saving our form of democracy, and even then must be coupled with Democratic control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. We are in dire need of ethical reform for the Supreme Court as well as seeing to its expansion, in addition to strengthening voter rights, worker's rights, an improved social safety net, and enhanced protections for women's rights. We must also hold accountable all of those insurrectionists who created and participated in the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, including those who are current and former office holders. In my little corner of the educational universe, I am hopeful that we will utilize the power of the federal government to shut down the religious and cultural wars that are threatening the very fabric of this nation, and restore the requirement to once again teach civics in the primary and secondary settings.
https://olshak.com/blog-1/f/welcome-to-the-new-web-site

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Muktheduck said:

Tramp96 said:

This puts all Texas universities between a rock and a hard place then.

If they accept federal funds (and they all absolutely have to in order to keep the doors open), they have to abide by Title IX (even though what the Biden administration has just done is completely unconstitutional).

Surely Gov. Abbott knows this. Is this part of his plan, to force this whole thing to the SCOTUS?

Will be very interesting to watch how this plays out.


The best possible thing for any institution looking to maintain a modicum of sanity would be to get off federal money. That'll be painful short term but we need to have as little financial dependence on the clowns in DC as possible

That would be literally impossible in this day and age unless you had the Saudis bankrolling your institution.
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